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Wanderlost - Delayed

January 21st, 2008 (08:02 am)


I am recovering nicely, thank you. But during the times when I would have worked on the cartoon, I was in bed with a fever. It wasn't a total loss. I re-read Douglas Addams' Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, which I discovered was much better than I had thought on my first read fifteen years ago.

Still marching my way through Richard Dawkins' The Ancestors' Tale, conceived a la Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales as a pilgrimage backwards through time toward several "rendesvous" with other species at points of common ancestry, or "concestors." Along the way, each species has a "tale" to tell: The Neanderthal's Tale, The Bonobo's Tale, etc. While my understanding of evolution deepens, occasionally I have to bring my head up for air.

On one such gasp, I youtubed Dawkins and came across a series of lectures he and other prominent scientists delivered a year or so ago on the conflicts between science and religion. You can watch the whole series at Beyond Belief 2006. Despite the high percentage of atheists among the speakers, don't expect total harmony of thought or "group think" among them - they are scientists, after all. Some, like Dawkins or Sam Harris, view religion as an enemy to be vanquished; others view religion as something to be accommodated as scientists seek to overcome public fears and ignorance regarding, say, the orbit of the earth around the sun; and still others argue that science and religion are, in Stephen Jay Gould's words, "non-overlapping magesteria." One thing everyone agrees on: intelligent design is bullshit. If you have the time, check it out.

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Posted by: ldragoon ([info]ldragoon)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2008 01:46 am (UTC)

Thanks for the link to the conference! I can't wait to watch it. If you're interested in reading a book that does an excellent job debunking Intelligent Design, I'd heartily recommend Tower of Babel, by Pennock.

Posted by: mooreroom ([info]nevikmoore)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2008 06:47 pm (UTC)

It is such an interesting collection of scientific minds. What's interesting to me, from a sociological point of view (and one that is not lost on the presenters) is how they all share certain sets of assumptions: God is nonexistent, if not remote; religion is a mess; radical Islam is a menace; Republicans are greedy idiots; scientists communicate with the public poorly.

Yet there is still this broad range of views about what to do about the conflicts between science and religion, how to overcome Intelligent Design, educate the public on science, combat the seriously dangerous delusions of violent Islamic fundamentalists, and how to deal with the belief in God itself among not only the public but within the scientific community.

Personally, I tend toward a non-confrontational position, unless provoked. I get angry at religion only when I see it overstepping its bounds - that is, bashing homos, oppressing women, fomenting violence, playing to people's ignorance and fears. Some would argue that religion does those things best. Yet I think Steven Weinberg, who has no love for religion at all, put it best that religion is like your crazy old aunt who stirs up trouble and says cranky things, whom you are waiting to die and leave you alone - "but she was beautiful once." And it is going to be hard to know how to replace religion as a means of providing coherence and meaning to human existence.

Posted by: ldragoon ([info]ldragoon)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2008 06:49 pm (UTC)

I get angry at religion only when I see it overstepping its
bounds - that is, bashing homos, oppressing women, fomenting violence, playing to people's ignorance and fears.


You and me both, brother!

And it is going to be hard to know how to replace religion as a means of providing coherence and meaning to human existence.

I don't think I ever really struggled with this one. I know what I'm here for - writing! @_@

Posted by: mooreroom ([info]nevikmoore)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2008 07:03 pm (UTC)

I don't think I ever really struggled with this one. I know what I'm here for - writing! @_@

Well, yeah. I don't struggle much, either. I love my wife, my kids, my friends, cartooning and playing guitar. Often I feel politics is a soul-less, simian level of poo-flinging. But occasionally I think we manage to make good use of the intellects we have evolved to create a better environment for our species. I get pretty pissed off when I see advances in medicine, public infrastructure (sanitation, esp) and education horded by the wealthy and the so-called First World. That plays into my need for a "higher purpose."

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